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		<title>Comment on WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS BLACK OR WHITE? by naturescorner1</title>
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		<description>Not so-genetic(DNA) and anthropological evidence gives every indication the ancient and modern Egyptians were Arab Semitic White, not, the Black Nubians. New evidence may change this. Do review the discussions.The majority of White Americans are of Indo European Aryan Whites, so in a snse, they can not lay claim to this. There is no doubt there was mixing of Arabs and Blacks- King Tut is an example as well as his grandmother Queen Tiye(Caucasian yellowish blond hair, X-rays showing Black skeletal structure).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not so-genetic(DNA) and anthropological evidence gives every indication the ancient and modern Egyptians were Arab Semitic White, not, the Black Nubians. New evidence may change this. Do review the discussions.The majority of White Americans are of Indo European Aryan Whites, so in a snse, they can not lay claim to this. There is no doubt there was mixing of Arabs and Blacks- King Tut is an example as well as his grandmother Queen Tiye(Caucasian yellowish blond hair, X-rays showing Black skeletal structure).</p>
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		<title>Comment on WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS BLACK OR WHITE? by herman</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 21:37:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The essence of the racial debate rest on one simple American Fact !!! People of color were not allowed to drink from the (white) water fountain!!!!!!!!! period. Now it seems to the so called minority&#039;s WHITE Americans want to claim a share in ancient ROYALTY .. Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The essence of the racial debate rest on one simple American Fact !!! People of color were not allowed to drink from the (white) water fountain!!!!!!!!! period. Now it seems to the so called minority&#8217;s WHITE Americans want to claim a share in ancient ROYALTY .. Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS BLACK OR WHITE? by naturescorner1</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 11:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Most of what you said is accurate and covered in the article, however, haplogroup V originates in the Middle East-Arabs, Jews, and other Semitic Whites have all the haplomarkers of other Caucasians, plus a few more that make them Semitic, not, Indo European Aryan White-Blacks do not have Caucasian haplomarkers, neither do Semitic Whites have any Black haplomarkers. It can be safely assumed certain phenotypical(outward appearance)  looksare produced by certain genes, so those are carried through heredity-basically people look like they did thousands of years ago.You change the gene, you change the appearance-without changing the gene, you get the same trait. So, yes haplomarkers are associated with certain looks within genetic variation.  Since Arab Semitic Whites(ancient and modern Egyptians are Caucasian, a small percentage run the gamut of other Caucasian groups as far as skin, hair, and eye color go). Arabs, Jews, and other Semitic Whites have a mix of J1 and J2, so they would have similiar looks.R1a1 is found only in Caucasians so yes Arab Semitic Whites will have it to.Caucasoid means White/resembling White. Skeletal measurements , especially the skull, indicate Semitic peoples are White-this term is the official term Anthropologists use.Until the early 1800s, Semitic Whites were considered non White by skin tone(generally olive(golden brown) skin tone although, not Black. Anthropologists did skeletal measurements showing they are White, later confirmed by DNA. You may wish to consider Semitic people not White for your own personal reasons, but that is the OFFICIAL status.By most accounts, although Sumerians are considered non Semitic, they appear to be a homogenous mix of Black and White(Arab Semitic and Indo European Aryan White).Incidentally, the Amhara peoples are also another such homogenous mix of Black(Ethiopian) and Semitic White(both Arab and Jew). Yes, this gives them a more Caucasian look-this irritates many Afro centrists whom often deny the more Caucasian looks of peoples of Sudan(northern half Arab Semitic White, part of North Africa, 1/3 of Africa and Arab Semitic White),  Ethiopia(Northern 1/3 is Arab Semitic White), and Somalia(Northern 1/3 is Arab Semitic White) is due to mixing with Arab Semitic Whites rather than genetic variation-all backed by DNA testing. The following are some helpful links:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people

http://strategyleader.org/profiles/amhara.htm

http://strategyleader.org/profiles/amhara.html

The ancient and modern Egyptians are Arab Semitic White, not the Black Nubians-you, of course may not consider them White based on their skin tone alone.The late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was half Arab Semitic White father- Black Nubian-Sudanese-Kemitian mother-hr denied his Black heritage until shortly before his death.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of what you said is accurate and covered in the article, however, haplogroup V originates in the Middle East-Arabs, Jews, and other Semitic Whites have all the haplomarkers of other Caucasians, plus a few more that make them Semitic, not, Indo European Aryan White-Blacks do not have Caucasian haplomarkers, neither do Semitic Whites have any Black haplomarkers. It can be safely assumed certain phenotypical(outward appearance)  looksare produced by certain genes, so those are carried through heredity-basically people look like they did thousands of years ago.You change the gene, you change the appearance-without changing the gene, you get the same trait. So, yes haplomarkers are associated with certain looks within genetic variation.  Since Arab Semitic Whites(ancient and modern Egyptians are Caucasian, a small percentage run the gamut of other Caucasian groups as far as skin, hair, and eye color go). Arabs, Jews, and other Semitic Whites have a mix of J1 and J2, so they would have similiar looks.R1a1 is found only in Caucasians so yes Arab Semitic Whites will have it to.Caucasoid means White/resembling White. Skeletal measurements , especially the skull, indicate Semitic peoples are White-this term is the official term Anthropologists use.Until the early 1800s, Semitic Whites were considered non White by skin tone(generally olive(golden brown) skin tone although, not Black. Anthropologists did skeletal measurements showing they are White, later confirmed by DNA. You may wish to consider Semitic people not White for your own personal reasons, but that is the OFFICIAL status.By most accounts, although Sumerians are considered non Semitic, they appear to be a homogenous mix of Black and White(Arab Semitic and Indo European Aryan White).Incidentally, the Amhara peoples are also another such homogenous mix of Black(Ethiopian) and Semitic White(both Arab and Jew). Yes, this gives them a more Caucasian look-this irritates many Afro centrists whom often deny the more Caucasian looks of peoples of Sudan(northern half Arab Semitic White, part of North Africa, 1/3 of Africa and Arab Semitic White),  Ethiopia(Northern 1/3 is Arab Semitic White), and Somalia(Northern 1/3 is Arab Semitic White) is due to mixing with Arab Semitic Whites rather than genetic variation-all backed by DNA testing. The following are some helpful links:</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amhara_people</a></p>
<p><a href="http://strategyleader.org/profiles/amhara.htm" rel="nofollow">http://strategyleader.org/profiles/amhara.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://strategyleader.org/profiles/amhara.html" rel="nofollow">http://strategyleader.org/profiles/amhara.html</a></p>
<p>The ancient and modern Egyptians are Arab Semitic White, not the Black Nubians-you, of course may not consider them White based on their skin tone alone.The late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat was half Arab Semitic White father- Black Nubian-Sudanese-Kemitian mother-hr denied his Black heritage until shortly before his death.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS BLACK OR WHITE? by Ponto</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 08:14:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t consider haplogroups as proof of race or subdivisions of race. Haplogroups do have specific geographic origin points, and are associated with certain races and subdivisions of race today, and did probably going back in time to 5,000 years but you cannot extrapolate too much further back in time. Haplogroup J1, M267 is common in Arabians, Levantine Middle Easterners and other people who spoke or speak Semitic languages like Jews. Language origins only track back so far. Going back to 10,000 years is iffy for any language family like Indo-European or the Semitic family within Afro-Asiatic. Either way, nothing can be proven, and making judgments about the origins of language groups and the races that spoke them is very controversial.

Haplogroup J1, M267, developed in Asia somewhere near the borders of modern Turkey, Iraq and Iran, possibly even, in the Caucasus region. Its parent haplogroup F is likewise Middle Eastern in origin. That is all you can say. You cannot prove what the peoples looked like who were J1, or F, or what languages they spoke thousands of years ago. Europeans who are J1 or F look unsurprisingly European. North Africans likewise look North African. Amharic Ethiopians who are J1 look Ethiopian. Arabians who are J1 look similar to other Arabians who may be R1a1, G or J2. The bearers of the haplogroups look like their nationality or ethnic group. It is likely the historic Sumerians were high in J1 but they did not speak an Afro-Asiatic or Indo-European language. They also called themselves the Black haired people. At that time in that part of the world, you would think all people were black haired. The ancient Egyptians spent a lot of time in Asia, outside the African continent, for political, economic and defense reasons. The ancient Egyptians also plundered the African interior, and NE Africa towards Somalia for resources and slaves.

Mitochrondrial haplogroup V is said to have developed in Europe, in Iberia during the LGM and that haplogroup moved into the rest of Europe after the LGM. It along with haplogroups H1 and H3, of similar age and origin in Europe, is found in North Africa, thought due to humans moving to Africa from Europe in Paleolithic and Neolithic times.

I would not use White with Semitic speaking Caucasoids. It is too charged with racism and the belief that Whites are only a subset of Europeans who live in Northwest Europe aka Nordics, Aryans and other BS terms. I suggest you drop the use of White. Most South Asians of dark hue are of Caucasoid type and not White.

Kmt means black. The term refers to soil, not people&#039;s skin tone. The people of Egypt are the sons and daughters of the black, fertile soil as distinct to the barren red colored desert. Anyone who lives in a country with deserts can see the difference of black, fertile soil land and red, arid, infertile desert land. The old Egyptians painted themselves red as their belief was that they came from the desert region somewhere in modern Libya and that they wandered into the Kmt, the Black Land, their equivalent of Eden. They however never painted themselves as black. I would not say the Egyptians were White, I wouldn&#039;t use the term of Europeans, I just would say they were Caucasoid of the North African variety but later mixed with various peoples found in NE Africa who were darker in skin tone. The racial origins of peoples in NE Africa, North African, the Sudan (the name means Black in Arabic) and Egypt is more complex than simple Caucasoid mixes with Eastern Negroid Africans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t consider haplogroups as proof of race or subdivisions of race. Haplogroups do have specific geographic origin points, and are associated with certain races and subdivisions of race today, and did probably going back in time to 5,000 years but you cannot extrapolate too much further back in time. Haplogroup J1, M267 is common in Arabians, Levantine Middle Easterners and other people who spoke or speak Semitic languages like Jews. Language origins only track back so far. Going back to 10,000 years is iffy for any language family like Indo-European or the Semitic family within Afro-Asiatic. Either way, nothing can be proven, and making judgments about the origins of language groups and the races that spoke them is very controversial.</p>
<p>Haplogroup J1, M267, developed in Asia somewhere near the borders of modern Turkey, Iraq and Iran, possibly even, in the Caucasus region. Its parent haplogroup F is likewise Middle Eastern in origin. That is all you can say. You cannot prove what the peoples looked like who were J1, or F, or what languages they spoke thousands of years ago. Europeans who are J1 or F look unsurprisingly European. North Africans likewise look North African. Amharic Ethiopians who are J1 look Ethiopian. Arabians who are J1 look similar to other Arabians who may be R1a1, G or J2. The bearers of the haplogroups look like their nationality or ethnic group. It is likely the historic Sumerians were high in J1 but they did not speak an Afro-Asiatic or Indo-European language. They also called themselves the Black haired people. At that time in that part of the world, you would think all people were black haired. The ancient Egyptians spent a lot of time in Asia, outside the African continent, for political, economic and defense reasons. The ancient Egyptians also plundered the African interior, and NE Africa towards Somalia for resources and slaves.</p>
<p>Mitochrondrial haplogroup V is said to have developed in Europe, in Iberia during the LGM and that haplogroup moved into the rest of Europe after the LGM. It along with haplogroups H1 and H3, of similar age and origin in Europe, is found in North Africa, thought due to humans moving to Africa from Europe in Paleolithic and Neolithic times.</p>
<p>I would not use White with Semitic speaking Caucasoids. It is too charged with racism and the belief that Whites are only a subset of Europeans who live in Northwest Europe aka Nordics, Aryans and other BS terms. I suggest you drop the use of White. Most South Asians of dark hue are of Caucasoid type and not White.</p>
<p>Kmt means black. The term refers to soil, not people&#8217;s skin tone. The people of Egypt are the sons and daughters of the black, fertile soil as distinct to the barren red colored desert. Anyone who lives in a country with deserts can see the difference of black, fertile soil land and red, arid, infertile desert land. The old Egyptians painted themselves red as their belief was that they came from the desert region somewhere in modern Libya and that they wandered into the Kmt, the Black Land, their equivalent of Eden. They however never painted themselves as black. I would not say the Egyptians were White, I wouldn&#8217;t use the term of Europeans, I just would say they were Caucasoid of the North African variety but later mixed with various peoples found in NE Africa who were darker in skin tone. The racial origins of peoples in NE Africa, North African, the Sudan (the name means Black in Arabic) and Egypt is more complex than simple Caucasoid mixes with Eastern Negroid Africans.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS BLACK OR WHITE? by naturescorner1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Aug 2009 19:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mathilda at her link mad an error in counting Arab Semitic Whites as Black in her statistics at the following link:
http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/egyptians-are-not-arabs-they-are-egyptians/

Haplotype V is NOT a Black, but an Arab Semitic White marker-it is NOT present in Blacks-this makes Northern(Lower) Egypt a minimum of 84% Arab Semitic White, not a maximum of 20 %.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mathilda at her link mad an error in counting Arab Semitic Whites as Black in her statistics at the following link:<br />
<a href="http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/egyptians-are-not-arabs-they-are-egyptians/" rel="nofollow">http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/egyptians-are-not-arabs-they-are-egyptians/</a></p>
<p>Haplotype V is NOT a Black, but an Arab Semitic White marker-it is NOT present in Blacks-this makes Northern(Lower) Egypt a minimum of 84% Arab Semitic White, not a maximum of 20 %.</p>
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		<title>Comment on WERE THE ANCIENT EGYPTIANS BLACK OR WHITE? by naturescorner1</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 10:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Ancient Egyptians were Arab Semitic White, not Nubian Black. The Nubians were concentrated in the lower southwestern 1/4 of Egypt(annexed part of Nubia in 1520 B.C.). Northern Egypt is Arab Semitic White with much admixture occuring as the southern part of Egypt is approached.

On Queen Tiye&#039;s ethnicity-the following links are but a few that indicate she was mixed, and, part Black(if not Nubian, some other Black tribe, but most likely, Nubian): 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiye

http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/data7.htm

The jury is still out on whether the Nefereti bust is faked. Recent X-rays indicate the originak bust was layered over at least once, possibly more, to make her look younger. The pigment COMPOSITION appears to be of the 3,400 years ago time period, which would have been unknown to a forger of 1912 if it was forged.There are statues that back up the bust likeness REGARDLESS if the bust is forged or not. I will be addressing this in the article shortly. In the mean time, here are some links reviewing this matter:.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hbA1toEwcEZfiZRMbIOq_exLNnaA

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090331-nefertiti-bust-picture.html

http://dismanibus156.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/more-on-nefertitis-authenticity/

Cruciani has now changed his nomeclature.

E1b1b was formerly marked by the E-M35 mutation and is now identified by Cruciani as E-M215, with M35 being reserved for a down stream lineage which makes up the vast majority of Saharan and non-African Haplogroup E lineages.

&quot;E3*&quot; is now E1b1*. The PN2 clade is made up of E1b1*-P2 (or E-P2) derivatives. E1b1* lineages in turn are Haplogroup E*-M96 derivatives (the ones marked by the P2 mutation).
E1a and E2 are found almost exclusively in Africa, and only E1b1b is observed in significant frequencies in Europe and western Asia in addition to Africa. Most SUB-SAHARAN AFRICANS belong to subclades of E OTHER than E1b1b, while MOST NON-AFRICANS who belong to haplogroup E belong to its E1b1b subclade. Greeks and Romans have Indo European Aryan White DNA(haploid) markers and the Ancient and Modern Egyptians have Arab Semitic White DNA(haploid) markers- subclade E1b1b. Arabs in North Africa are Semitic White, and, technically, can be called White, not, Black, Africans. Greece and Rome are a part of Europe, so Greeks and Romans would be called Indo European Aryan White. According to Wikipedia, “Most Sub-Saharan Africans belong to subclades of E other than E1b1b, while most non-Africans who belong to haplogroup E belong to its E1b1b subclade.” (Citing Fulvio Cruciani et al, Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E1b1b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa, Am. J. Hum. Genet, p. 74)

&quot;Haplogroup E-M78, however, is more widely distributed and is thought to have an origin in eastern African. More recently, this haplogroup has been carefully dissected and was found to depict several well-established subclades with defined geographical clustering (Cruciani et al., 2006, 2007). Although this haplogroup is common to most Sudanese populations, it has exceptionally high frequency among populations like those of western Sudan (particularly Darfur) and the Beja in eastern Sudan... Although the PC plot places the Beja and Amhara from Ethiopia in one sub-cluster based on shared frequencies of the haplogroup J1, the distribution of M78 subclades (Table 2) indicates that the Beja are perhaps related as well to the Oromo on the basis of the considerable frequencies of E-V32 among Oromo in comparison to Amhara (Cruciani et al., 2007)... 

These findings affirm the historical contact between Ethiopia and eastern Sudan (1998), and the fact that these populations speak languages of the Afroasiatic family tree reinforces the strong correlation between linguistic and genetic diversity (Cavalli-Sforza, 1997).&quot;

&quot;Genetic continuum of the Nubians with their kin in southern(Upper) Egypt is indicated by comparable frequencies of E-V12 the predominant M78 subclade among southern(Upper) Egyptians.&quot; 

&quot;The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology.&quot;
Source: (Hisham Y. Hassan 1, Peter A. Underhill 2, Luca L. Cavalli-Sforza 2, Muntaser E. Ibrahim 1. (2008). Y-chromosome variation among Sudanese: Restricted gene flow, concordance with language, geography, and history. Am J Phys Anthropology, 2008.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Ancient Egyptians were Arab Semitic White, not Nubian Black. The Nubians were concentrated in the lower southwestern 1/4 of Egypt(annexed part of Nubia in 1520 B.C.). Northern Egypt is Arab Semitic White with much admixture occuring as the southern part of Egypt is approached.</p>
<p>On Queen Tiye&#8217;s ethnicity-the following links are but a few that indicate she was mixed, and, part Black(if not Nubian, some other Black tribe, but most likely, Nubian): </p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiye" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiye</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/data7.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/Tokyo/Temple/9845/data7.htm</a></p>
<p>The jury is still out on whether the Nefereti bust is faked. Recent X-rays indicate the originak bust was layered over at least once, possibly more, to make her look younger. The pigment COMPOSITION appears to be of the 3,400 years ago time period, which would have been unknown to a forger of 1912 if it was forged.There are statues that back up the bust likeness REGARDLESS if the bust is forged or not. I will be addressing this in the article shortly. In the mean time, here are some links reviewing this matter:.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hbA1toEwcEZfiZRMbIOq_exLNnaA" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hbA1toEwcEZfiZRMbIOq_exLNnaA</a></p>
<p><a href="http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090331-nefertiti-bust-picture.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/03/090331-nefertiti-bust-picture.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://dismanibus156.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/more-on-nefertitis-authenticity/" rel="nofollow">http://dismanibus156.wordpress.com/2009/05/22/more-on-nefertitis-authenticity/</a></p>
<p>Cruciani has now changed his nomeclature.</p>
<p>E1b1b was formerly marked by the E-M35 mutation and is now identified by Cruciani as E-M215, with M35 being reserved for a down stream lineage which makes up the vast majority of Saharan and non-African Haplogroup E lineages.</p>
<p>&#8220;E3*&#8221; is now E1b1*. The PN2 clade is made up of E1b1*-P2 (or E-P2) derivatives. E1b1* lineages in turn are Haplogroup E*-M96 derivatives (the ones marked by the P2 mutation).<br />
E1a and E2 are found almost exclusively in Africa, and only E1b1b is observed in significant frequencies in Europe and western Asia in addition to Africa. Most SUB-SAHARAN AFRICANS belong to subclades of E OTHER than E1b1b, while MOST NON-AFRICANS who belong to haplogroup E belong to its E1b1b subclade. Greeks and Romans have Indo European Aryan White DNA(haploid) markers and the Ancient and Modern Egyptians have Arab Semitic White DNA(haploid) markers- subclade E1b1b. Arabs in North Africa are Semitic White, and, technically, can be called White, not, Black, Africans. Greece and Rome are a part of Europe, so Greeks and Romans would be called Indo European Aryan White. According to Wikipedia, “Most Sub-Saharan Africans belong to subclades of E other than E1b1b, while most non-Africans who belong to haplogroup E belong to its E1b1b subclade.” (Citing Fulvio Cruciani et al, Phylogeographic Analysis of Haplogroup E1b1b (E-M215) Y Chromosomes Reveals Multiple Migratory Events Within and Out Of Africa, Am. J. Hum. Genet, p. 74)</p>
<p>&#8220;Haplogroup E-M78, however, is more widely distributed and is thought to have an origin in eastern African. More recently, this haplogroup has been carefully dissected and was found to depict several well-established subclades with defined geographical clustering (Cruciani et al., 2006, 2007). Although this haplogroup is common to most Sudanese populations, it has exceptionally high frequency among populations like those of western Sudan (particularly Darfur) and the Beja in eastern Sudan&#8230; Although the PC plot places the Beja and Amhara from Ethiopia in one sub-cluster based on shared frequencies of the haplogroup J1, the distribution of M78 subclades (Table 2) indicates that the Beja are perhaps related as well to the Oromo on the basis of the considerable frequencies of E-V32 among Oromo in comparison to Amhara (Cruciani et al., 2007)&#8230; </p>
<p>These findings affirm the historical contact between Ethiopia and eastern Sudan (1998), and the fact that these populations speak languages of the Afroasiatic family tree reinforces the strong correlation between linguistic and genetic diversity (Cavalli-Sforza, 1997).&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Genetic continuum of the Nubians with their kin in southern(Upper) Egypt is indicated by comparable frequencies of E-V12 the predominant M78 subclade among southern(Upper) Egyptians.&#8221; </p>
<p>&#8220;The Copt samples displayed a most interesting Y-profile, enough (as much as that of Gaalien in Sudan) to suggest that they actually represent a living record of the peopling of Egypt. The significant frequency of B-M60 in this group might be a relic of a history of colonization of southern Egypt probably by Nilotics in the early state formation, something that conforms both to recorded history and to Egyptian mythology.&#8221;<br />
Source: (Hisham Y. Hassan 1, Peter A. Underhill 2, Luca L. Cavalli-Sforza 2, Muntaser E. Ibrahim 1. (2008). Y-chromosome variation among Sudanese: Restricted gene flow, concordance with language, geography, and history. Am J Phys Anthropology, 2008.)</p>
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		<description>(edit) I mean to say there is no evidence to suggests tiye was nubian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(edit) I mean to say there is no evidence to suggests tiye was nubian</p>
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		<description>There is no evidence to suggests Queen Tiye was part nubian. You can&#039;t just say she was Nubian just because she was black as all the evidence indicates the ancient egyptians were black and closer related to the nubians than anyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no evidence to suggests Queen Tiye was part nubian. You can&#8217;t just say she was Nubian just because she was black as all the evidence indicates the ancient egyptians were black and closer related to the nubians than anyone else.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 04:27:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL, this guy didn&#039;t get the memo the Nefereti bust was a proven forgery and their is no evidence to suggests Queen Tiye was of non-nubian origin.</description>
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		<description>E1b1 is not Caucasoid it originated in Somalia/Ethiopia! Oh wait... let me guess..... another black group about to be relabeled &quot;caucasoids&quot;.</description>
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